Finally a mod messaged & said we ain’t supposed to mention names of companies - which don’t make sense when I’m asking about specific VPNs, but I’ll give it 1 last try.
I’m stressed & burned out from the effort in trying to remain anonymous while shopping for a VPN in the US. No cryptocurrency yet. It’s stunning and Kafkaesque how many foreign-based ones will either tell you they won’t accept pre-paid debit cards that are not ‘verified’ or other company gift cards, then tell me how many customers they have in the US who paid with pre-paid cards (like, they didn’t care they’d be identified as buying a VPN?). I beg them to do simple queries to select the name of the bank or sponsor of the card - they refuse. I ask to explain how to pay with a pre-paid card without having to do 3D Secure or whatever protocol - they say I have to *REGISTER* the card 1st. Almost all require an email address to register with them as unique identifier, but that’s easy to get brand-new. It’s driving me batshit crazy. Pre-paid cards are really not credit; they’re debit, drawing down on an amount already paid-for. Why would a foreign VPN even care where the $$$ came from long as they get paid?Very simply - in the US - how can I buy a pre-paid card with cash (whether they call it debit or credit is irrelevant), not have to give my name, or verify anything online, not have to give a name or address in the card registration process, not give any info about me, and use this card whatever it’s called, to buy a year with a known VPN? I see pre-paid debit cards, which plainly say ‘use in US only’ - which means I don’t know if I can use for a VPN in the BVI for example. The only thing I’ve seen as a workaround is 1 VPN says it sells boxed cards with activation codes, but I can’t find any near me; and of course if I order a card or their boxed card online, then whoever I buy from will have a record I bought the card, and then the VPN can store info about the card source, leading back to me. I just want privacy, paying for a VPN anonymously. 1 VPN recommended a pre-paid debit card, then when I google it people say it won’t work for foreign VPN companies. 1 offered to let me snailmail them cash. No foreign ones accept a US Postal money order. The possible boxed card company exception aside, is it possible now to buy a VPN anonymously? Another foreign VPN company accepted other company gift cards but was caught logging a while back, as an example.Can anyone tell me how they got a year with a foreign VPN (actually not in the 14 Eyes Agreement is minimum), without cryptocurrency, and without revealing anything about their identity?
Your tone implies that you expect your goal to be easy to accomplish.
Your adversaries are not stupid, and they aren’t going to make it easy for you.
If just anyone could do what you want easily, their ability to prevent money laundering, tax evasion, funding of kiddie porn, terrorism etc would be crippled.
If it does turn out to be possible, truly anonymous international transfer of fiat
be amazed and grateful. Not just feel entitled to do so like buying a pack of ciggies.
Why don’t you want to use crypto currency? Monero would be best for this. I accept it for my VPN, I also pay for a couple servers with Monero.
my tone is one of some1 who figured logically it would be easy to pay a company anonymously, that sells itself on protecting your identity online. Yeah foreigners simply don’t get it, privacy is a right and I am entitled to it. I really don’t GAF what oppressive statists think about my rights.The issue is VPNs that let u pay anonymously, and only that.
I don’t not want to, just it’d be dumb for me to jump into it yet; u can lose what u put in if u don’t know what you’re doing, & as of now, I don’t. Ironically I’m convinced it’s important now and will be a project to get up with Bitcoin once the VPN is in. Why Monero, has something come out for it to replace Bitcoin?
thx for the response. Sending cash to a place outside the US is a risk I ain’t gonna roll the dice on.
Far as Paypal, don’t they require verification, like proof of name & address & phone code confirmation? I don’t got a burner phone so if I gave a number that’d be identifiable. Not against the idea, just unsure if I can attach Paypal to a card & stay anonymous doing it. If this is verified, I can try getting the card & use TOR to try to register with Paypal.
Not debating 14 Eyes, it’s real and we’re losing more rights here at warp speed, specially in some areas. Best to be anonymous unless proven ok otherwise. I’m considering known VPNS that swear they nolog, have been audited an/or separate customer id from anything identifiable. We have the right to privacy; best to combine using TOR & VPN with any account set up with a dead-end email address. I just need the VPN that won’t insist on verifying id while paying.
They do not have the ability to overcome the power of the state.
IOW it is not in their power to create such a funds transfer path.
Monero is way more private and untraceable compared to Bitcoin. If you want privacy with online payments, then Monero is the coin of choice.
u can lose what u put in if u don’t know what you’re doing
If you’re going to pay yearly, you can buy Monero and right away pay for the VPN before the price changes that much either direction.
You obviously can get more Monero than what you need for the yearly payment and let it sit in the ‘account’. Price has gone up 3x in the last year. Crypto isn’t short time investment and you only lose when you sell/use.
So you are just ignoring my reply?
I guess I am being ignored. Fuck this sub.
most foreign VPNs are set up outside of 14 Eyes countries, exactly for the statist reason. U don’t ban something for every1 that can be abused by some. Anyway, it is a VPN we’re talking about, and if they can keep u anonymous online, they can do it for paying them too. And again - they accept Bitcoin & Modelo so those are just options I don’t know enough yet how to use. Obviously, it’s successful.
The topic is if someone has figured a way to pay for a VPN besides mailing cash or cryptocurrency.
I dunno what bullshit’s going on with this thread, but I’ll look into Monero - pretty sure I saw it as an option for a BVI VPN. I was gonna start out with Techradar to learn about crypto, which will be an option after I’ve installed my VPN.
I don’t know anything about crypto except a vague idea how it works; any guides or synopsises you’d wanna point me to?
Out of curiosity - could I buy Monero say by going to a ATM or other physical location, pay in $US, no showing any kind of ID, get Monero, and spend? I know nothing about it or crypto.
I originally saw your reply, but no longer. Did you delete it?
Yes it is the international aspect exactly that makes it more difficult.
If you were asking domestically, much easier since it’s a small amount.
But again, this is not something that they can make happen, they simply do not have the power to do so.
And your trying so hard to do so likely already has made you a person of interest, flagged on a list for greater surveillance attention.
Sadly the US forced regulation through in the recent “Infrastructure Bill” to remove all anonymity from crypto. They will be going after all investors soon. Anything that detracts from their powerbase is a no go. Hence why PoS is being pushed ad nauseum with the eco friendly angle. In the near future almost all layers of crypto will require Know Your Customer(KYC) regulations that banks have. So the pool you mine to in some rando’s basement will have to get everyone’s picture ID, social security number and everything else banks require. Really sad days we are living in as privacy and security are human rights. Look up the Mesh surveillance network amazon just implemented. We are at a point in time where technology no longer benefits the masses, but benefits the few against the masses.
One of the points of Monero is that you don’t need to go extra mile to stay anonymous. You buying services with Monero can’t be traced back to your wallet. With BTC/ETH/etc. main cryptos you can be. So you can buy Monero from your home.
AFAIK crypto ATMs are currently limited to pretty much only to BTC. If you can find one where they accept cash and no personal info needed, that could be a way to get BTC anonymously.
Flagged, LOL. For what? I’ve never been in any trouble in my life. Regardless, the whole point is to be untraceable - Tor helps, VPN helps more, and just being careful is good too.
I ain’t pushing for privacy cause I’m gonna run guns or sell meth - I deserve to be anonymous & not get hacked or blocked from looking at websites and/or downloading scientific studies disliked by WHO, for example. It ain’t a point of debate, and it is exactly because if I do find a VPN I will be anonymous - unless they lie about nolog, which is why I’m only considering audited companies who have not been outed as nolog violators. The 1 VPN in Sweden that accepts cash has a good system for making customers unique without identifiable - mailing cash all the way there just is too risky for me, but I believe them when their rep. says they have cash customers in the US. Same with Bitcoin.
We learn from tortuous life experience; I’ve learned crypto is a good option, more necessary in our futures, and will learn it - using Tor & VPN so as not to raise any flags. Far as pre-paid cards, the foreign VPNs can make it easy if they want to by not insisting on verification - as pointed out, why would they care long as they get paid?
If u have good ideas how to stay anonymous online or VPNs as described, let’s hear em.
if there’s a fast, easy way to get $100 worth of Bitcoin (.00014BC), I’d love to know how.
Yhea it has always been, the masses against one and another instead of people fighting together for something better.